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VEG   (2003-07-17 13:40) [0]

Not buried?



VEG   (2003-07-17 13:42) [1]

And anyway, does anyone else use it ??? She is terribly slow ...



stone   (2003-07-17 13:45) [2]

They use it, and quite actively. What slows down is not clear.



Marser   (2003-07-17 13:49) [3]

W98SE is a small-scale masterpiece and I will have to change it only because it is out of date.



AlexRush   (2003-07-17 13:49) [4]

It slows down for those whose hands grow from ... not from there, in general. The system, although buggy, is unrealistic (I generally keep quiet about stability), but you cannot refuse reactivity.
And what does it mean to "officially bury W98" ?? Does this type 98 microsoft no longer support, and Me does? So this is ridiculous!
The same axis.



Boatswain   (2003-07-17 13:50) [5]

don’t find what they said and when, I follow this a little
but in a large intranet where there are many dummies, 98 is better than ME



VEG   (2003-07-17 13:51) [6]

DOS is definitely a masterpiece. No glitches :)



AlexRush   (2003-07-17 13:51) [7]

The same core, the same 16-bit code, the same glitches, the same buoyancy.



NickBat   (2003-07-17 13:53) [8]

Microsoft officially stopped selling this version. What is sold by suppliers is, let’s say, stock leftovers.



Boatswain   (2003-07-17 13:54) [9]

for some of us for the first time we sat down and are afraid to press something once again, they were 95 scared ....
and if they still stick 2k or XP stick ... so finally the kayuk will come
so while the plant buys 98 and we use it fully in the network



Vlad Oshin   (2003-07-17 13:54) [10]

Well, drink, for health or rest, then we'll figure it out



Marser   (2003-07-17 13:58) [11]


> VEG © (17.07.03 13: 51)
> Here DOS-this is definitely a masterpiece. No glitches :)

For those who did not use it, but only heard it. I heard CP / M is the best OS in history :-))



Boatswain   (2003-07-17 13:58) [12]

for some of us for the first time we sat down and are afraid to press something once again, they were 95 scared ....
and if they still stick 2k or XP stick ... so finally the kayuk will come
so while the plant buys 98 and we use it fully in the network



Boatswain   (2003-07-17 14:02) [13]

Master! It’s better to work on accounts or abacus
there current human factor will be a mistake gee-gee



N169   (2003-07-17 14:04) [14]

> W98 officially buried in late June

Bobby died



Vlad Oshin   (2003-07-17 14:04) [15]


> Boatswain © (17.07.03 13:58)

according to my observations, who first sits right behind XP for the first time - on the contrary, there are less than 2 questions from them



Boatswain   (2003-07-17 14:09) [16]

> Vlad Oshin
Well, if you immediately put on XP and do not show anything else, then of course
so Mona everyone and put on Unix and will work hehe



Anatoly Podgoretsky   (2003-07-17 14:11) [17]

No one was not going to bury, the only thing was that sales and support were stopped, which means that new products simply will not be tested on it.

As for use, the first place in popularity, but the percentage decreases because they no longer sell.
As for the brakes, this is not for her, these are handles

As for stability, it works the same for months without rebooting.



Marser   (2003-07-17 14:15) [18]


> Master! It’s better to work on accounts or abacus
> there the current human factor will be a mistake gee-gee

Thanks for the compliment 6-))



blackman   (2003-07-17 14:43) [19]

> As for stability, it works the same for months without rebooting.
Lope, lope ???
With these words you hit me in the heart.
Win98 works without rebooting, only if no program is running.



stone   (2003-07-17 14:45) [20]

Call technical support:
Vin98 has been working for me for half a year already, maybe I'm doing something wrong?



Anatoly Podgoretsky   (2003-07-17 14:52) [21]

blackman © (17.07.03 14: 43)
I have several machines that work in server mode.
One of them is a 16-channel digital tape recorder, where at least once a minute there is a conversation on the phone or on the radio and this happens around the clock, the amount of recorded data is about 2 GB per day.
Others serve telephone exchanges, some work as network archivers and more. At the same stations, I sometimes work with Word, the Internet.
There are purely working stations that never turn off.



pasha676   (2003-07-17 14:59) [22]

And I really, really like her. 98osr2 is perhaps the most successful user system for small-scale users today. Rather, I liked it :(. The firewood on the new mother stood obliquely under it. I had to put Me. I felt the slice all the wretchedness - there are more beauties, but no use. For example, there is no DOS support :(.



CinCinNut   (2003-07-17 15:55) [23]

as far as I remember, the 98th will cease to be supported since 2004, but it has ceased to sell microsoft for a long time, only suppliers leftovers. although of course I could be wrong ..



vopros   (2003-07-17 15:57) [24]

w98 is a good thing. But 2000 is better.



horse   (2003-07-17 16:03) [25]

BESTSELLER IMHO
Threat of the dead do not speak badly :-))



Johnmen   (2003-07-17 16:11) [26]

> They said that W98 will officially be buried at the end of June ...

How many necrophiles are there on the planet? !!!!!!!!!
:-))))))))))))))))



blackman   (2003-07-17 18:28) [27]

> Anatoly Podgoretsky
That's right. But try to launch several different programs in several.
Well let's say Word, Excel and Delphi. Hang fast and can't even take anything off. I'm not talking about working with the database (not DBF of course).



Anatoly Podgoretsky   (2003-07-17 19:50) [28]

So the matter is not in Windows, but in Word, Excel and Delphi and databases.



blackman   (2003-07-17 20:20) [29]

Interesting. So the system should not work with them, but work only with itself and above itself?



Anatoly Podgoretsky   (2003-07-17 20:50) [30]

The fact is that on those machines these programs do not load and nothing is hung, but according to your words it is hung with these programs. I hope you make your own conclusion.



blackman   (2003-07-17 21:01) [31]

The fact is that WIN98 works very poorly in multitasking mode or if programs require a lot of memory.
In addition, FAT32 also provides a lot of opportunities for getting disk failures.
For WIN2000 and later, the distribution of the OP is changed, the task manager is different and NTFS is much more stable. Here are the reasons.



Anatoly Podgoretsky   (2003-07-17 22:39) [32]

There is nothing against the NT platform, a good platform.
But 98 is a worthy tool, even when used in server mode, which is proven by practice.
But the above-mentioned applications, especially Delphi in debug mode, drag the system along with them.



RIMMER   (2003-07-17 23:29) [33]

I had a 98. Rearranged with regularity in six months. Then the Final Glitch happened and 98 stopped loading even after a complete reinstallation. In light of the further acquisition of new equipment migrated to XP. Six months passed and ... no complaints. I devoured all the beta firewood, keeps all the equipment, does not fall even from 48 IE at the same time (my favorite entertainment :))). Like this. Also at work, I want to boss buy XP



Anatoly Podgoretsky   (2003-07-17 23:34) [34]

Delphi also falls on XP in exactly the same way, what does not pull the system does not change the essence, it is necessary that it works without failures, and not so that it can be painlessly aborted. And errors in the drivers just knock down the system as well.



blackman   (2003-07-18 09:59) [35]

> Anatoly Podgoretsky
Programs running without failures do not exist.
XP handles their crashes much nicer.
And the errors in the drivers felled, felled and will be felled, but
handling these errors in WIN2000 and XP is better.
Yes, and drivers for WIN98 are not for everyone and you will find



Johnmen   (2003-07-18 10:13) [36]

> blackman ©
> NTFS - much more stable. Here are the reasons.

And about the flaws?

And about XP at home:
My brother set himself XP 1.5 years ago. 60% of the games simply did not go / was not set. Under ME, all the games were on.
But then again, as Anatoly Podgoretsky said, these are not OS problems, but application problems. But you cannot explain this to a simple person far from deep understanding ...





blackman   (2003-07-18 10:20) [37]

> Johnmen
You have to play new games. That's all.
> But to a simple person ...
They need to be taught. Do not play games.



Anatoly Podgoretsky   (2003-07-18 10:25) [38]

So figured it out?
It's not about the OS, but about programs and people



blackman   (2003-07-18 10:34) [39]

It is interesting to see the statistics of HotLog:
http://blackman.wp-club.net
Site name: DELPHI course [ID: 77802]
Statistics from 1.1.2003 to 18.7.2003
Distribution of operating systems (total): 102490
Type Qty Average per day Percentage in the group
Windows 2000 35885 188.87 35.01%
Windows 98 30910 162.68 30.16%
Windows XP 29844 157.07 29.12%
Windows NT 2987 15.72 2.91%
Other 973 5.12 0.95%
Windows 95 648 3.41 0.63%
Windows ME 620 3.26 0.60%
Linux 495 2.61 0.48%
FreeBSD 57 0.30 0.06%
Macintosh 50 0.26 0.05%
SunOS 11 0.06 0.01%
OS / 2 10 0.05 0.01%
and if you look at the months, then XP is growing from month to month
http://www4.hotlog.ru/cgi-bin/hotlog/site_stat/?id=77802&b_day=1&b_month=1&b_year=2003&e_day=18&e_month=7&e_year=2003&var=OS&max_items=50



blackman   (2003-07-18 10:35) [40]

> Anatoly Podgoretsky © (18.07.03 10: 25)
> So figured it out?
> It's not about the OS, but about programs and people
One hundred pounds.



Johnmen   (2003-07-18 10:42) [41]

> blackman © (18.07.03 10: 20)
> You have to play new games. That's all.

And he only played "fresh."
And in general, it is strange for me to hear such arguments ...

>> But to a simple person ...
> They need to be taught. Do not play games.

Funny, by golly!

> blackman © (18.07.03 10: 35)

Although I agreed here ... :)



vuk   (2003-07-18 10:49) [42]

> so while the plant buys 98 and we use it fully in the network
Win9x / ME cannot be allowed into the network at all under any circumstances - the security subsystem is missing completely.



blackman   (2003-07-18 11:20) [43]

> And he played only in "fresh".
Svezhak!
The fly did not sit, but XP does not understand?
Probably ours did (from 1s for example) or our new pirated copy of the old game.




vidiv   (2003-07-18 12:04) [44]

Personally, I have a Celeron1100 machine with 256 RAM. Almost always open Photoshop, Dreamweaver, OutLook, WMPlayer, Delphi, several IE + still in the background ICQ, Apache and various other programs. The computer runs under XP around the clock !!! it doesn’t hang, it’s not buggy, it doesn’t slow down much (I even play CS sometimes) - - no problem. When it was 98 similarly. (I installed XP only because of a more correct operation with the network, and I needed to learn how to work)

Therefore, I completely agree with Anatoly Podgoretsky, everything depends on the person working at the computer.

// I even had a case: The girl complains that her WMPlayer does not work in XP, but I don’t want to winamp ... I come to her and really gives out that Memory cannot be READ (I read this from the system log :)) . Here I sat, I thought, I even did not touch the clave with mice ... then I just overloaded it and everything was done! it all worked! I wonder to myself! ..
The next day, he complains that the computer does not go for a greeting - it hangs. I come again, turn on - with a half kick flew! I did not touch him. An accident? Or the technique feels the one who works with it ... it seems to me the second!



SergP   (2003-07-24 09:17) [45]


> stone © (17.07.03 14: 45)
> Call technical support:
> Vin98 has been working for me for half a year now, maybe something is wrong
> do?


Hm. This is a joke. But in reality ME has been working for me for more than half a year and hasn’t hung up. Although it happens that the computer works for 2,5 days in a row without shutdowns and reboots ...
Given how people relate to ME, I’m constantly thinking - what am I doing wrong?

But 98 on my computer was buggy once ...



.nuke   (2003-07-24 10:09) [46]

Better Me buried ...

ZYZH
and let's switch to realtime OS? qnx, os9 for example?



VEG   (2003-07-24 10:44) [47]

I don’t know HOW you, but I have a very smart Me ... It loads faster, when copying files from screw to screw, the mouse cursor does not slow down ...
And 98 works fine if the user is EDUCATED, if there’s a kettle at the computer that incorrectly removes programs, etc. it is very buggy ...



clickmaker   (2003-07-24 10:54) [48]

blackman © (17.07.03 18: 28)
> Anatoly Podgoretsky
That's right. But try to launch several different programs in several.
Well let's say Word, Excel and Delphi. Hang fast and can't even take anything off. I'm not talking about working with the database (not DBF of course).


Duc ... this ... 98 they sobsssno and not for this. For developers - NT and 2000, run at least 10 delphi and 20 Word. A 98 - multimedia, working with sound, toys, etc. For home, for family, in short.



VEG   (2003-07-24 11:06) [49]

> clickmaker
On NT systems, PhotoShop works much more confidently! From personal experience ...



VEG   (2003-07-24 11:13) [50]

> My brother 1.5 years ago set himself XP. 60% of the games simply did not go / was not set. Under ME, all the games were on.
I don’t know, but my compatibility utility solves everything. 2% is not loaded, but it's all one junk! Either viruses, or joke programs :)



clickmaker   (2003-07-24 11:20) [51]

VEG © (24.07.03 11: 06)
> clickmaker
On NT systems, PhotoShop works much more confidently! From personal experience ...


In NT systems, everything works much more confidently. If you manage to fasten and run, of course))) But since I launched it - it will work confidently! )))



SPeller   (2003-07-24 13:17) [52]


> Anatoly Podgoretsky © (18.07.03 10: 25)
> So figured it out?
> It's not about the OS, but about programs and people

It turns out that this is so, but just as if not the OS makes it possible to do certain things safely? If some function of the OS is buggy or causes some kind of malfunction or something else, will the person also be to blame? Probably, it is not necessary to use it so that it is not buggy ... The OS here just has the most direct relation to the quality of work. If a person knows how to work efficiently on a buggy system - well done. People are different, cars, too, so you do not need to bring everything under one line. All three factors (axis, program quality, user skills) give the final result. This is Randomize, and you should not try to predict it for all cases and judge all the others by one or two results.



Polevi   (2003-07-24 13:33) [53]

2SPeller © (24.07.03 13: 17)
to work efficiently on a buggy system ????



Anatoly Podgoretsky   (2003-07-24 14:32) [54]

All the same, people are to blame, and not so much the users as the one who installed the system and especially the one who developed it.
But it’s stupid to demand from 98 the same thing as NT, they were developed for different purposes and normally cope with them, no worse than other OSs. It’s good to work in server mode, there are a lot of tasks, it favorably affects stability, a workstation is a completely different matter, especially if the programs are written by some local visitors.
OS does not play a role, they manage to hang everything.

As I have said more than once, in good hands and Notepad is a terrible weapon :-)



blackman   (2003-07-24 15:08) [55]

> As I have said more than once, in good hands and Notepad is a terrible weapon :-)
One hundred pounds! I have familiar users who opened my EXE with notepad, were surprised that the text could not be read, edited and saved.



Vlad Oshin   (2003-07-24 15:15) [56]


> blackman © (24.07.03 15: 08)
QuotedXNUMX>> As I have said more than once, in good hands and Notepad is terrible
> weapons :-)
> One hundred pounds!


but what about! but it’s possible in another way - to write a denunciation to the tax ...



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